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**DONOTDELETE**
04-12-2001, 11:13 PM
Reagan Belongs on Kings Row
Why envious professors won't give the Gipper his due.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/hail/under.html?id=65000721

By Steven G. Calabresi

Ronald Reagan has always been underrated. When he ran for Governor of California and for President of the United States, his opponents all dismissed him as an actor and an extremist. After Mr. Reagan won both of those offices, his opponents in the press and in the legislature dismissed him again as someone who could fool the public with his personal popularity but whose policies would not prevail. After Mr. Reagan won the Cold War and launched an unprecedented economic recovery, his opponents in the intelligentsia dismissed him as a lucky and amiable man who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. And, as the evidence accumulates that Mr. Reagan was along with Franklin Roosevelt one of the two most influential presidents of the Twentieth Century, the experts in presidential survey rankings decline to rank him as a "Great" President along with FDR, George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln giving him an eighth place "Near Great" ranking instead.

The fact is that Ronald Reagan has always been our most consistently underrated president--as he was found to be by the Federalist Society's and The Wall Street Journal's recent survey of presidential rankings. Ronald Reagan was simultaneously a man of ideas and a man of action. Like George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, he had a moral vision of how to improve the United States and the world, and like both of them he worked resolutely to make that moral vision a reality. We have had many presidents who were doers, and some who were thinkers as well. But, we have had very few presidents who through their vision and deeds did as much to make the world a better place as did Ronald Reagan. It is for this reason that Mr. Reagan deserves recognition as a "Great" president.

Ronald Reagan's cause was the advance of liberty both at home and abroad. He was simultaneously a great visionary, a foreign policy genius, and the rejuvenator of the American economy. His role in all three of these respects was all the more remarkable because Mr. Reagan came from nowhere. He was the son of an alcoholic, who attended uncompetitive schools, and he was, like Lincoln, largely self taught.

Notwithstanding all these limitations, Mr. Reagan became along with Margaret Thatcher one of the prime visionaries and defenders of liberal capitalism ever to grace the world stage. Mr. Reagan's presidency began at a dark moment in American history when defeats in Vietnam and Iran and the Watergate Scandal had all combined to sap the morale of America's elites and her people. Mr. Reagan knew that the U.S. was on the right side of history in the century-long global struggle between socialism and capitalism, and he stubbornly and single mindedly staked out a vision of the future in which entrepreneurial capitalism would be everywhere triumphant. Today, twenty years after Mr. Reagan's inauguration, his vision is the predominant one throughout the world. Reaganite free market policies are on the ascendancy in the U.S., in Western and Eastern Europe, in Latin America, and even in Communist China. While much work is left to be done, it is fair to say that the Marxist ideas that were in vogue twenty years ago have now been left as Mr. Reagan said "on the ash heap of history." There can be no question that Mr. Reagan was one of the greatest visionaries since Lincoln to occupy the presidency of the United States.

Second, Mr. Reagan was also one of the greatest foreign policy geniuses to occupy the presidency. Indeed, he is on a par with Winston Churchill in this regard. Like Churchill, Mr. Reagan realized that his adversary could be defeated but never appeased. And, like Churchill, Reagan set about organizing that defeat long before public opinion ever realized that the rolling back of communism was attainable. Mr. Reagan bled the former Soviet Union to death by forcing it to keep pace with U.S. arms developments, by placing nuclear missiles in Western Europe, by developing the Strategic Defense Initiative, and by waging proxy wars against the communists in Afghanistan, Angola, and Nicaragua. He did all of these things over the intense opposition of America's intellectual elites and with minimal help from the Congress or the editorial pages of our leading newspapers. At a critical moment in the struggle, when former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev launched a peace initiative, Mr. Reagan had the presence of mind to dare Gorbachev to tear down the Berlin Wall, if he really wanted peaceful relations. The ensuing collapse of the Wall in November 1989 led to the peaceful collapse of the entire Soviet Empire without a single shot being fired and with no loss of life! So spectacular a military victory was beyond anyone's imagination nine years earlier when Mr. Reagan became president, and it is surely one of the most spectacular foreign policy victories ever recorded in human history.

Aside from being a visionary and a foreign policy genius, Mr. Reagan excelled in a third respect as the rejuvenator of America's economy. He came to office after Jimmy Carter at a time of high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment. He vanquished all three of these demons and, by ending energy price controls, he brought a swift end to the energy crisis as well. Mr. Reagan's marginal tax rate cuts in his 1981 tax bill launched a spectacular period of economic growth--the benefits of which we continue to reap today. Mr. Reagan simplified the tax structure further with his 1986 tax reform legislation, and he gave great impetus to the deregulation movement which had begun in the late 1970's. He also popularized privatization of government resources, and he helped lay the groundwork for the critical campaign going on today to create education vouchers in place of the current government monopoly over education.

Ronald Reagan's momentous domestic policy legacy became clear in 1994 when voters responded to Bill Clinton's proposal to socialize American medicine by electing Republican majorities to both Houses of Congress for the first time since 1952. The rise of the GOP Congress was a direct response to Clinton's effort to challenge the Reagan legacy of limited government. Since 1994, Clinton has abandoned direct frontal assaults on the Reagan legacy, and the GOP Congress has delivered with Reaganite policies on capital gains reduction and welfare reform which have produced widespread benefits. In many ways, Clinton has been forced against his wishes into presiding over the consolidation of Mr. Reagan's legacy much as Dwight Eisenhower played a similar role in consolidating New Deal policies during the 1950's. Looking back on Ronald Reagan's impact on American domestic policy twenty years after his election makes it clear that his was a watershed presidency.

Ronald Reagan was a visionary, a foreign policy genius, and the most important figure in the domestic policy of the United States of the last quarter century. He was a man of ideas, like Jefferson, and a man of action, like FDR. He belongs in the pantheon of our greatest presidents because he helped define what this country was about for all of us and because he did so very much to rise above his times to make the world a better place.


Mr. Calabresi is a professor of law at Northwestern University and National Co-Chairman of the Federalist Society.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-28-2001, 11:36 AM
Reagan is not as great as many of you right wingers wish him to be, hey quick let's name a Dairy Queen after him. He was also not the bumbling idiot that many others try to portray. He was in the middle, comparing favorably to the likes of Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. That is all folks, sorry. Comparsons to FDR are self serving politics at best. FDR saved the planet. Reagan saved the Republican party. There is no comparison.

Radical-Conservative
04-29-2001, 12:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>FDR saved the planet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


FDR began the nanny-state mentailty images/icons/frown.gif

Warlady
04-29-2001, 01:43 AM
FDR biggest socialist President in our history. I rank him right down there in the basement with Bill Clinton.

Lyta_Alexander
04-29-2001, 07:52 PM
Hey RAD actually I don't think Reagan get his props from eggheads Professors but I tell you one thing in California he is King Father of Republican party

So far only person I think consider in Reagan footstep right now is Dubya that all

Also Hollywood never would give props to Ronnie because he kinda smack chat Libs and Communists in 1950s but he had do what he have to do

So beat it

**DONOTDELETE**
04-29-2001, 09:20 PM
Thanks largely to FDR's leadership, america overcame The Great Depression, which makes all these Bush recessions seem like a day in the park. Oh Yes, FDR Defeated Hitler and
put everything in place to defeat Japan.

Again, comparing Reagan to FDR is a disservice to America, and to FDR and perhaps even Reagan.

Too many Republicans run around today, invoking Reagan's name, for no reason other than to vainly attempt to make the Republican party look good in the afterglow.

Radical-Conservative
04-29-2001, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Again, comparing Reagan to FDR is a disservice to America, and to FDR and perhaps even Reagan <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spike Reagan admires FDR betcha didnt know that didya *zing*

The_Sonarman
04-29-2001, 10:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Thanks largely to FDR's leadership, america overcame The Great Depression, which makes all these Bush recessions seem like a day in the park.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think "curing" a recession by getting hundreds of thousands of US servicemen killed in foreign wars is much of a legacy. And, FDR didn't "fix" the Great Depression, at all. The industrial ramp-up for World War 2 did that.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Oh Yes, FDR Defeated Hitler and
put everything in place to defeat Japan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, FDR managed to drag the US, kicking and screaming, to help make the world safe for Communism. Read up about Joseph Stalin, and the millions of his own people he had killed. By the way..... the Russians had one hell of a lot to do with defeating Hitler. They paid a much higher price in human lives.

Let's just examine "defeating Japan", by the way. Did you know that FDR knew for a fact that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, weeks prior, and did nothing to warn the Pearl Harbor commanders, Admiral Kimmel and General Short? FDR wanted Pearl Harbor attacked, to enrage the American people. He did this by intentionally getting a bunch of sailors killed in the attack, which he could have prevented.

Over 2,000 sailors died, so that FDR could drag the US into World War 2. Let's see.... getting 2,000 sailors killed.... that makes FDR accessory to over 2,000 murders.... that makes him accessory to mass murder. There aren't too many people that can brag to have killed that many, in one afternoon.

To this day, Admiral Kimmel is held responsible for Pearl Harbor, the scapegoat, instead of the real criminal, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. This is a tragedy, all by itself.

Don't tell me FDR was a saint. I don't give a damn about his "intentions", either. Those do NOT excuse the deaths and mayhem this man caused.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Again, comparing Reagan to FDR is a disservice to America, and to FDR and perhaps even Reagan.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. FDR was a criminal, more akin to some of our more infamous serial killers. He needs to be on the pedestal of the scum of the earth, along with Stalin and Hitler.

I won't get into the other FDR disasters America is still reeling from. Social Security, Welfare, the Cold War, an out of control, dictatorial Federal Government, etc. Each of those FDR crimes is a thread, all by themselves.

World Slavery. FDR, the enabler.

Warlady
04-29-2001, 10:35 PM
FDR created nanny state....a new form of slavery. Slavery to the government is not a step up. 40 years of a Dem controlled Congress is what put this country deep into debt. Tax spend and grow the federal government is all socialist. Not until Reagan introduced welfare reform did Americans begin to wean off the government teet and become useful contributing citizens again. I remember when he started welfare reform. You wouldn't believe the fraud that was uncovered when he lifted that rock.

Warlady
04-29-2001, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>originally posted by SpikeAgain, comparing Reagan to FDR is a disservice to America, and to FDR and perhaps even Reagan.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Comparing FDR to Reagan should be a hangin' offense. Get a rope!

Radical-Conservative
04-29-2001, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Comparing FDR to Reagan should be a hangin' offense. Get a rope!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nylon or natural?

The_Sonarman
04-29-2001, 10:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Nylon or natural?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One of each, in case one breaks. Do the job again, as need be. images/icons/wink.gif

The_Sonarman
04-29-2001, 11:09 PM
Franklin Delano Roosevelt's actions led directly to the Cold War, a costly, dangerous 50 years in American History.

If nothing else, Ronald Reagan broke the Soviet Union's back, without having to fire a shot. Ronnie "solved" the problem FDR caused.

FDR is, without a doubt, the worst President this nation has yet suffered in it's history. FDR caused problems that had to be sorted out with millions of deaths. Ronald Reagan "fixed" one of those problems... by breaking the USSR, without firing a shot.

One would do well, to avoid mentioning FDR and Ronald Reagan in the same sentence. Ronnie was a decent man. FDR was a communist mass murderer.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-30-2001, 07:17 PM
Once again, I would like to thank Warlady for the invite. I am even enjoying participating in this forum. However, i am greatly amused at the attacks on FDR by all you "Patriots." I only called Reagan a mediocre President, while you all attack the man(FDR) that many Historians regard as the greatest in History. Would all you Republicans be happier, if FDR had stayed out of WW2? Imagine, Maggie Thatcher would have spoke German all her life. AS far as the allegations that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor before 12/7/41, I would ask for Proof? I have seen nothing but rumors.

By the way, I told Warlady the other day that my goal is to get a second star from the member ratings. Since I am a Liberal, I think I have a better chance of getting to Pitch for the Yankees.

Maggie_T
05-09-2001, 04:27 PM
Maybe that's what you should be doing then: pitching for the Yankees, or whoever will have you (if anyone).

Serious political discussion is obviously not for you so I see that second star slow in coming.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-09-2001, 05:14 PM
I see Maggie is a Compassionate conservative.

Once again, will all you right wing radicals
please explain how winning world war 2 was a mistake? And if the results of WW2 do not prove that isolationism of the 30's was a mistake (the GOP were often wrong then too),
then I might as well talk Martian. Hindsight is often 20/20 and FDR was right to save the world.

Maggie_T
05-09-2001, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Spike Hollywood:
I see Maggie is a Compassionate conservative.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get your sight tested. I'm RADICAL CONSERVATIVE.

Radical-Conservative
05-09-2001, 11:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> Yankees <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


stop cursing Maggie images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

Maggie_T
05-10-2001, 07:40 AM
Darling, the only time I curse is when I say "liberal," "democrat," or "lefty." images/icons/smile.gif

Radical-Conservative
05-10-2001, 11:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maggie T:
Darling, the only time I curse is when I say "liberal," "democrat," or "lefty." images/icons/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yankee is a curse word 2
images/icons/cool.gif images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/cool.gif images/icons/tongue.gif

Maggie_T
05-10-2001, 11:44 AM
OK. Happy to add it to my list. Actually, it does make sense to call it a curse word. images/icons/wink.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
05-10-2001, 08:27 PM
Ronald Reagan belongs on King's Row
In fact there was a question about him on Millionaire tonight

Ronald Reagan is the only President to be President of the Screen Actors Guild
Yankees are not bad,Rad
I am a Compassionate Conservative
Even a Liberal History Teacher at my school says Reagan was the Greatest President.