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oracle
05-26-2001, 03:16 PM
Before the U.S. entered WWII, the Flying Tigers were already in the fight (http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/local/24835_tigers26.shtml)

Saturday, May 26, 2001

By MIKE BARBER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Emma Jane Hanks lets you know straight off that she prefers to be called "Red."

It's the nickname she got 60 years ago for her red hair, when she became an original member of the famed Flying Tigers fighter plane group.

Known as the American Volunteer Group -- and to the Chinese, Fei Hu or Flying Tigers -- its members fought for China against Japan. Formed before the United States entered World War II, they inflicted the first setbacks felt by the Japanese military in five years of warfare, stopped the invasion of southern China and formed a bond with Chinese people that transcends modern government tensions.

As the only surviving woman -- one of two nurses -- among the 278-member AVG, Hanks braved primitive conditions in Burma. She battled tropical diseases and comforted the wounded, dragging them from their beds to ditches when the base came under attack.

And she sacrificed as much as anyone. Her husband of five months, an AVG fighter pilot, was shot down and killed. Pregnant with their only child, Hanks within a year was a single mom at a time when to be one drew harsh social judgments. She faced a lifetime of Memorial Days.

"There were a lot of hardships, a lot of sadness in those days, but that's life. You move on," says Hanks, a Yale-educated nurse. "I have a lot of pride in what we did, in what they all did."

Now 85 and living in Maryland, "Red" is in Seattle this Memorial Day weekend with two dozen of the 45 surviving Flying Tigers. She hopes for a world where Memorial Days aren't needed.

"When you've been through a war, you know that people have to learn not to fight," she says.

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**DONOTDELETE**
05-26-2001, 05:18 PM
God Bless Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, USMC, may he Rest in Peace with the rest of the Tigers and Marines that have went to the other side as well.

And my Father.

Memorial Day is a special day for me.

My Father died on May 31, 1982, and it was Memorial Day. A fitting tribute for a Combat Marine.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-26-2001, 05:22 PM
God Bless the men and women who gave their lives so that we all would have freedom!
God Bless America!

Desertrat06
05-26-2001, 05:36 PM
Yeah, Chennault's "kids" did proud. It's even more notable when you consider that the P-40 was not as maneuverable as the Zero.

After the War, Chennault went on to start a little (mostly cargo) airline; IIRC, Cathay Air Transport. Based in Hong Kong, I think.

Lyta_Alexander
05-26-2001, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stranglehold:
God Bless Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, USMC, may he Rest in Peace with the rest of the Tigers and Marines that have went to the other side as well.

And my Father.

Memorial Day is a special day for me.

Hey guys My father is ex-Marine served in Marine corps in mid 1950s in Tokyo Japan before I was even born

OHHH you know who which squardon Pappy Boyantion during WW2

Black Sheep Squadron they made tv series starting Robert Conrad out of it

That was fighting unit I ever see one despite they broke all the rules and reg in Marine corps

My Father died on May 31, 1982, and it was Memorial Day. A fitting tribute for a Combat Marine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I like give props to all Veterans living or deads

Especially GI Generation


War Rackkkk the GI Generation

terri
05-26-2001, 08:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stranglehold:
God Bless Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington, USMC, may he Rest in Peace with the rest of the Tigers and Marines that have went to the other side as well.

And my Father.

Memorial Day is a special day for me.

My Father died on May 31, 1982, and it was Memorial Day. A fitting tribute for a Combat Marine.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There are not words written or a dictionary in circulation that can give adquate voice to what your relatives and mine sacrificaed in this confilict. God bless you and yours on this historic holiday.

May the United States Of America Fly Free and Proud for Evermore.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-27-2001, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by terri:

There are not words written or a dictionary in circulation that can give adquate voice to what your relatives and mine sacrificaed in this confilict. God bless you and yours on this historic holiday.

May the United States Of America Fly Free and Proud for Evermore.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't even listen to the Star Spangled Banner, watching a football or baseball game, whatever, without wanting to tear up.

Amen.

Desertrat06
05-27-2001, 08:27 PM
Three generations of my family are "Beach Boys". My father played on the beaches of Normandy; I played on the beaches of Inchon, and my son played on the beaches of the Persian Gulf.

I guess "Taps" is what will always give me a lump in the throat...

'Rat

**DONOTDELETE**
05-27-2001, 08:30 PM
Tomorrow at 3:00 P.M., Radio Stations will be playing Taps.

More information can be found at:remember.gov (http://www.remember.gov/)

**DONOTDELETE**
05-27-2001, 11:30 PM
The Flying Tigers flew F-51s. Fairly manueverable And I think faster than zeros.
P-40s you could fill with holes and it kept right on going like the Eveready Bunnie.
Zeros would flame with a couple of tracers.

Desertrat06
05-28-2001, 09:56 AM
P-, not F-51s were used in the ETO, but not in the PTO. There were P-51Fs, but no F-51s.

The P-38 was the only Army Air Corps fighter in the Pacific after we got into the war; it was almost equal to the Zero on just one engine! Other fighter planes were all Navy; the F-6 was the first to equal the Zero, and then the F4U Corsair out-did it.

My step-father was a B-24 co-pilot out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal. My father-in-law was a Navy test pilot on (I believe) Saipan, checking out re-assembled Corsairs and such after they were freighted from the States.

FWIW, 'Rat

**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2001, 12:34 AM
We gave a lot of F-51s to the Phillipines to fight the guerillas. We also used them in Korea. K-3 was all F-51s [you call them P if you wish, P only designates "pursuit"] when we set up the base in 1950.
The Flying Tigers were not P-40s. A couple of them landed at K-3 one day still with Shark teeth. CAT, Chenaults Civil Air Trans port, flew around Korea, too.

**DONOTDELETE**
06-05-2001, 12:36 AM
The AVG flew Curtiss P-40C through P40E fighters. The Charlie series were in Kunming and Kweiling. Echo through November models started in Rangoon.

Initially, 180 P-40C's were Lend-Leased to China in early '41.

The AVG was (reluctantly) merged into the 23rd Fighter Group, which was later folded into the 1st Chinese-American Composite Wing.

All of which was swallowed up by the 14th AF in the USAAF thanks to the wisdom of Vinegar Joe Stillwell who had trouble with having too much of a good thing going in the AVG.