How real science works

[DesertFox]

Rick Moran
American Thinker
26 Jan 09

The Large Hadron Collider is the largest collaborative scientific effort in history. It involves more than 2000 scientists from 34 countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. It has taken 14 years to build at a cost of $8 billion and is scheduled to begin serious research work later this year.

...if you wish an example of how the scientific process works - as opposed to how dishonest and fraudulent global warming science has become -- you need look no further than CERN and how scientists are responding to questions about their data.

They are not standing up and calling the skeptics "nazis." They are not saying that their detractors are paid mouthpieces for opposing interests. They are not trying to shut scientific opponents out of debate.

They are acting like real scientists and reworking their hypotheses, double checking their data, answering their critics, and challenging their own beliefs. This has been the way of true science for 500 years in the western world. And it stands in stark contrast to those who follow the global warming belief system who seek to silence any opposition to their dogmatic pronouncements by claiming "the debate is over" or making other equally unscientific observations.

More (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/how_real_science_works.html)

[DesertFox]

Al Gore and his band stand in relation to true science as the Inquisition did in relation to Galileo.

[anarchy2day]

Rick Moran
American Thinker
26 Jan 09

The Large Hadron Collider is the largest collaborative scientific effort in history. It involves more than 2000 scientists from 34 countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. It has taken 14 years to build at a cost of $8 billion and is scheduled to begin serious research work later this year.

...if you wish an example of how the scientific process works - as opposed to how dishonest and fraudulent global warming science has become -- you need look no further than CERN and how scientists are responding to questions about their data.

They are not standing up and calling the skeptics "nazis." They are not saying that their detractors are paid mouthpieces for opposing interests. They are not trying to shut scientific opponents out of debate.

They are acting like real scientists and reworking their hypotheses, double checking their data, answering their critics, and challenging their own beliefs. This has been the way of true science for 500 years in the western world. And it stands in stark contrast to those who follow the global warming belief system who seek to silence any opposition to their dogmatic pronouncements by claiming "the debate is over" or making other equally unscientific observations.

More (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/how_real_science_works.html)

It cost less than the "Big Dig" in Boston and took less time, even with Europeans involved.

[DoctorDoom]

Real science and AGW are antithetical. The First Church of Gorebull Warming is a quasireligious cult. There's more science in astrology.

[DoctorDoom]

Smallest possible black hole

To make a black hole one must concentrate mass or energy sufficiently that the escape velocity from the region in which it is concentrated exceeds the speed of light. This condition gives the Schwarzschild radius, R = 2GM / c2, where G is Newton's constant and c is the speed of light, as the size of a black hole of mass M. On the other hand, the Compton wavelength, λ = h / Mc, where h is Planck's constant, represents a limit on the minimum size of the region in which a mass M at rest can be localized. For sufficiently small M, the Compton wavelength exceeds the Schwarzschild radius, and no black hole description exists. This smallest mass for a black hole is thus approximately the Planck mass, which is about 2 × 10−8 kg or 1.2 × 10[sup]19[/saup] GeV/c2.
Micro black hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_black_hole)

2 × 10−8 kg = 2 × 10−5 g = 2 × 10−2 mg = 20 micrograms.

Slamming particles together isn't going to form a black hole of that mass.

[gnome]

I must applaud unarguably good science demonstrated in the OP even if I don't always agree with how the climatologists are characterized.

[DoctorDoom]

... even if I don't always agree with how the climatologists are characterized.
Honest, objective climatologists have zero tolerance for Saint AlBore's pseudoscientific religion. They are branded as heretics and deniers.

Here's a real climatologist.

Lindzen, Richard S.

Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences

Professor Lindzen is a dynamical meteorologist with interests in the broad topics of climate, planetary waves, monsoon meteorology, planetary atmospheres, and hydrodynamic instability. His research involves studies of the role of the tropics in mid-latitude weather and global heat transport, the moisture budget and its role in global change, the origins of ice ages, seasonal effects in atmospheric transport, stratospheric waves, and the observational determination of climate sensitivity.

He has made major contributions to the development of the current theory for the Hadley Circulation, which dominates the atmospheric transport of heat and momentum from the tropics to higher latitudes, and has advanced the understanding of the role of small scale gravity waves in producing the reversal of global temperature gradients at the mesopause. He pioneered the study of how ozone photochemistry, radiative transfer and dynamics interact with each other.

He is currently studying the ways in which unstable eddies determine the pole to equator temperature difference, and the nonlinear equilibration of baroclinic instability and the contribution of such instabilities to global heat transport. He has also been developing a new approach to air-sea interaction in the tropics, and is actively involved in parameterizing the role of cumulus convection in heating and drying the atmosphere. He has developed models for the Earth's climate with specific concern for the stability of the ice caps, the sensitivity to increases in CO2, the origin of the 100,000 year cycle in glaciation, and the maintenance of regional variations in climate.

In cooperation with colleagues and students, he is developing a sophisticated, but computationally simple, climate model to test whether the proper treatment of cumulus convection will significantly reduce climate sensitivity to the increase of greenhouse gases. Prof. Lindzen is a recipient of the AMS's Meisinger, and Charney Awards, and AGU's Macelwane Medal. He is a corresponding member of the NAS Committee on Human Rights, a member of the NRC Board on Atmospheric Sciences and Climate, and a Fellow of the AAAS1. He is a consultant to the Global Modeling and Simulation Group at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and a Distinguished Visiting Scientist at California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. (Ph.D., '64, S.M., '61, A.B., '60, Harvard University)
Lindzen, Richard S. (http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm)

Here's Saint Albore's opinion of Dr. Lindzen:

The Tennessean also took a shot at MIT prof Richard Lindzen, who's questioned the science behind global warming. ''His views are wrong," said Gore. ''That's the most charitable I can be."
Gore picks pals over Cape Wind (http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/articles/2006/04/27/gore_picks_pals_over_cape_wind/)

Any "climatologist" who agrees with that ignorant, arrogant, self-worshipping asshole should be stripped of his/her degree.

[DesertFox]

Doc, could you juxtapose Lindzen's and Bore's Gore's curricula vita so we can compare the two? After all, if Lindzen dares to challenge the Master, his cv must not even vaguely compare to Bore's Gore's and that should be obvious at a glance in any comparison of the two.

[PaulRevere]

I must applaud unarguably good science demonstrated in the OP even if I don't always agree with how the climatologists are characterized.
And what characterization is that?
Firstly, define for us what a "climatologist" is.
What accredited universities offer degrees in the subject?
What is the curiculum?
Who awards certificates?
Did you know that the grand poobah in the IPCC has a degree in railroad engineering?
What are AlGore's qualifications?
A freshman year filler course taught by some quack in the 70's who later realized that he was, uh, full of it, that's what!

Can these quasi-Marxists explain how C02 at 385 ppm (that's parts per MILLION) can change earth's climate?
Do you ever hear or read of them citing this number?
Can they produce a study that shows that C02 can absorb heat at all?

If you don't remember, these "scientists" promised us more and stronger floods, droughts, heat waves, hurricanes, and so on. Instead, we got NOTHING to show for it except another bitter winter in the nothern hemisphere.

How would you characterize a charlatan who announces 'the debate is over, I won!' before any debate ever took place, and who avoids any debate whatsoever? One who flies around in private jets spreading his doom-and-gloom lies, gets rich doing it, and lives in a energy-gobbling mansion?

If you didn't notice, gnome, the "climatologists" are little more than a collection of leftists, some with a science degree in this or that, who have constructed their Doomsday Cult - an Armageddon that can only be averted by surrendering our freedoms and money to their Marxist non-solutions to their non-problem.

[Kathy30]

Doomsday cults all have one thing in common. They demand the suicide of the cult members.

[DoctorDoom]

Doc, could you juxtapose Lindzen's and Bore's Gore's curricula vita so we can compare the two?
AlBore has one? Last I heard, he flunked out of divinity school.

I did find this, from the 2000 election cycle.

VITAL STATISTICS

Al Gore

• BORN: March 31, 1948, Washington, D.C.

• EDUCATION: St. Alban's Episcopal School for Boys in Washington; Harvard University, B.A. 1969; Vanderbilt School of Religion, 1971-72; Vanderbilt Law School, 1974-76.

• CAREER HIGHLIGHTS: U.S. House of Representatives, 1976-84; U.S. Senate, 1984-92; homebuilding business; reporter, Nashville Tennessean, 1973-76; Army, 1969-71 (Vietnam); author of Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit.
Vice President Al Gore (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/algore1.html)

It definitely qualifies him to discredit Dr. Lindzen. :rolleyes:

[DesertFox]

I notice his cv doesn't mention that he has neither a divinity degree nor a law degree. Putting it the way it's put clearly implies that he has both.

Just another series of lies in a career dotted with same.

[DoctorDoom]

Actually ...

The basis for the media's unfair attacks on Bush's intelligence is his 30-year-old Yale College transcript (purloined last fall and published by The New Yorker). Yet The Washington Post's subsequent revelation of Gore's unimpressive academic record has done little to alter the media's false portrayal of Gore as "the smartest kid in the class." It is a record that is worth reviewing, if only to debunk the myth of Gore as a serious student.

Gore's undergraduate transcript from Harvard is riddled with C's, including a C-minus in introductory economics, a D in one science course, and a C-plus in another. "In his sophomore year at Harvard," the Post reported, "Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale." Moreover, Gore's graduate school record - consistently glossed over by the press - is nothing short of shameful. In 1971, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt Divinity School where, according to Bill Turque, author of "Inventing Al Gore," he received F's in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters. Not surprisingly, Gore did not receive a degree from the divinity school. Nor did Gore graduate from Vanderbilt Law School, where he enrolled for a brief time and received his fair share of C's. (Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard).
Gore's Dubious School Record (http://www.larryelder.com/Gore/goredubiousrecord.htm)

Watch out, Dr. Lindzen. The Brilliant One is after your job.

[Timberwolf]

Can these quasi-Marxists explain how C02 at 385 ppm (that's parts per MILLION) can change earth's climate?
Do you ever hear or read of them citing this number?
Can they produce a study that shows that C02 can absorb heat at all?
And that's ASSUMING that ALL of the emitted CO₂ remains in the atmosphere...in reality, MOST of it precipitates within a few months of introduction.