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Naturalized-Texan
01-27-2004, 10:06 AM
John Kerry slandered an entire generation of soldiers (http://www.nationalreview.com/owens/owens200401270825.asp)

John Kerry, we know, is running against John Kerry: his own voting record. But there is another record that John Kerry is running against, and this has to do with his very emergence as a Democratic politician: Kerry, the proud Vietnam veteran vs. Kerry, the antiwar activist who accused his fellow Vietnam veterans of the most heinous atrocities imaginable.

John Kerry not only served honorably in Vietnam, but also with distinction, earning a Silver Star (America's third-highest award for valor), a Bronze Star, and three awards of the Purple Heart for wounds received in combat as a swift-boat commander. Kerry did not return from Vietnam a radical antiwar activist. According to the indispensable Stolen Valor, by H. G. "Jug" Burkett and Genna Whitley, "Friends said that when Kerry first began talking about running for office, he was not visibly agitated about the Vietnam War. 'I thought of him as a rather normal vet,' a friend said to a reporter, 'glad to be out but not terribly uptight about the war.' Another acquaintance who talked to Kerry about his political ambitions called him a 'very charismatic fellow looking for a good issue.'" Apparently, this good issue would be Vietnam.

Kerry hooked up with an organization called Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). Two events cooked up by this group went a long way toward cementing in the public mind the image of Vietnam as one big atrocity. The first of these was the January 31, 1971, "Winter Soldier Investigation," organized by "the usual suspects" among antiwar celebrities such as Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, and Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theorist, Mark Lane. Here, individuals purporting to be Vietnam veterans told horrible stories of atrocities in Vietnam: using prisoners for target practice, throwing them out of helicopters, cutting off the ears of dead Viet Cong soldiers, burning villages, and gang-raping women as a matter of course.

The second event was "Dewey Canyon III," or what VVAW called a "limited incursion into the country of Congress" in April of 1971. It was during this VVAW "operation" that John Kerry first came to public attention. The group marched on Congress to deliver petitions to Congress and then to the White House. The highlight of this event occurred when veterans threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol, symbolizing a rebuke to the government that they claimed had betrayed them. One of the veterans flinging medals back in the face of his government was John Kerry, although it turns out they were not his medals, but someone else's.

Several days later Kerry testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. His speech, touted as a spontaneous rhetorical endeavor, was a tour de force, convincing many Americans that their country had indeed waged a merciless and immoral war in Vietnam. It was particularly powerful because Kerry did not fit the antiwar-protester mold — he was no scruffy, wide-eyed hippie. He was instead the best that America had to offer. He was, according to Burkett and Whitley, the "All-American boy, mentally twisted by being asked to do terrible things, then abandoned by his government."

Kerry began by referring to the Winter Soldiers Investigation in Detroit. Here, he claimed, "over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit, the emotions in the room, the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam, but they did, they relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told their stories. At times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

This is quite a bill of particulars to lay at the feet of the U.S. military. He said in essence that his fellow veterans had committed unparalleled war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course, indeed, that it was American policy to commit such atrocities.

In fact, the entire Winter Soldiers Investigation was a lie.

Warlady
01-27-2004, 07:50 PM
Kerry is a disgrace to the uniform.

Naturalized-Texan
02-18-2004, 11:09 AM
*bump*

Warlady
02-18-2004, 11:49 AM
Yep this one needs to be read but I'd kind of like Kerry to get the nomination before we spread the truth about him.

Warlady
02-18-2004, 01:12 PM
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Fed up, Burkett did something that any reporter worth his or her salt could have done: he used the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) to check the actual records of the "image makers" used by reporters to flesh out their stories on homelessness, Agent Orange, suicide, drug abuse, criminality, or alcoholism. What he found was astounding. More often than not, the showcase "veteran" who cried on camera about his dead buddies, about committing or witnessing atrocities, or about some heroic action in combat that led him to the current dead end in his life, was an impostor.

Indeed, Burkett discovered that over the last decade, some 1,700 individuals, including some of the most prominent examples of the Vietnam veteran as dysfunctional loser, had fabricated their war stories. Many had never even been in the service. Others, had been, but had never been in Vietnam.

Stolen Valor made it clear why John Kerry's testimony in 1971 slandered an entire generation of soldiers. Kerry gave credence to the claim that the war was fought primarily by reluctant draftees, predominantly composed of the poor, the young, or racial minorities.

The record shows something different, indicating that 86 percent of those who died during the war were white and 12.5 percent were black, from an age group in which blacks comprised 13.1 percent of the population. Two thirds of those who served in Vietnam were volunteers, and volunteers accounted for 77 percent of combat deaths.

Kerry portrayed the Vietnam veteran as ashamed of his service:


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This is a damn outrage!!!!!!!!! Kerry testified from a damn book?!?!?! He should be in jail.

Estragon
02-19-2004, 01:09 AM
In jail? Come on! He's practically a Kennedy; he sails with them, you know.

By the way, have you heard he was in Vietnam? I know that's going around, but he won't release his military records, so I'm not sure.

Warlady
02-19-2004, 08:27 AM
Yeah I've heard but I'm not going to believe it until he releases his military records as proof. Even then who's to say Clinton didn't make them up for him? Isn't that what Democrats say about Bush? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinhat.gif

DesertFox
02-21-2004, 07:12 PM
bump

Warlady
02-21-2004, 08:08 PM
Fox you might as well make this one sticky. Looks like it's going to be an issue for awhile since Kerry is in the bullseye now.

Junky
02-21-2004, 10:43 PM
As a veteran of the Viet Nam war (68-69), I can't discribe in words the loathing I have for John F'n Kerry. What he has said about the men and women of the Viet Nam war makes me cry.

SouthernReBelle
02-21-2004, 11:10 PM
Didn't Kerry get busted for killing innocent people in Vietnam or am I thinking of someone else??

heather

DesertFox
02-21-2004, 11:57 PM
Wrong Kerry (unless I, too, have it wrong!). I think you're referring to former Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a Medal of Honor recipient and a true hero despite the rather considerable, usually-debilitating handicap of being a Dimocrat.

Warlady
02-22-2004, 12:01 AM
It's a different Kerrey ReBelle

SouthernReBelle
02-22-2004, 12:02 AM
Okay..just checking..Thanks for setting this straight.

heather

Warlady
02-22-2004, 12:03 AM
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Junky said:
As a veteran of the Viet Nam war (68-69), I can't discribe in words the loathing I have for John F'n Kerry. What he has said about the men and women of the Viet Nam war makes me cry.

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Me too Junky. All I can say to you is thank you for serving. I would be honored if you would read the story I wrote about my brother who also served in Vietnam.

http://www.grunts.net/special/vietnam/vietnam.html

Junky
02-22-2004, 12:28 AM
Warlady,

I'm very sorry for the loss of your brother, Tommy. I look up to people like him. I have the highest respect for combat soldiers. Viet Nam was a very strange place to be. I was not a combat soldier, but many times I wished I was. As usual, I'm at a loss for words on this subject. I'm sad.

nosferatuscoffin
02-22-2004, 01:24 AM
That was a a very warm and heartfelt response there. We all admire you for serving in Nam. Never forget that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I can sort of understand WL's loss of her brother, since losing a man, who was like the brother I never had to suicide over Nam, still hurts to this day, nearly 20 years later.

Venus
02-22-2004, 05:29 AM
Isn't it interesting that MA, the most leftist state in the country, has two fabulously wealthy senators, both of whom have the commission of a heinous crime in their backgrounds?

nosferatuscoffin
02-22-2004, 05:43 AM
Not really. After all, look at the President that they supported for two terms. Under 50% both times and with a rapist's background.

Birds of a feather.

Warlady
02-22-2004, 07:28 AM
Thanks Junky. And thanks for serving. I believe Vietnam was a just war. It's too bad the Democrats were in charge of it. They wouldn't let the military run it. That's why we lost. But the military learned a lot from Vietnam so it wasn't totally in vain. Fighting communism is always just. My brother loved the South Vietnamese people. He believed in what he was fighting for. And yes it was for our freedom. Anytime we fight against communism anywhere in the world we are defending our freedom at home.

DesertFox
02-22-2004, 10:49 AM
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif and amen.

Bluemoon_Rising
02-22-2004, 11:25 AM
Bottom line: it is clear that Kerry lied; his testimony was concocted for political purposes.

Good find, NT. I got a hold of a copy of Stolen Valor and some other materials last week. Determined to get the real story on Kerry, after some inquires, these were given to me by friends of mine who served in the war.

Release your military records, Kerry. What else are you lying about?

nosferatuscoffin
02-22-2004, 11:26 AM
Release your military records, Kerry. What else are you lying about?

It will all come out in good time, my friend. Bank on that.

Warlady
02-22-2004, 09:04 PM
I want Gillespie to demand Kerry release his military records as Bush has done. There is no reason for him not to. Especially since the Democrats made this an issue in the first place.

Venus
02-23-2004, 01:56 AM
Agreed. Gillespie's an improvement over Racicot, but I don't know if he has the stones to make the demand and, more importantly, to hang this around the press's neck until they turn up the heat on Kerry to do it.

Warlady
02-23-2004, 08:12 AM
It would depend on whether or not Bush wants him to do it. I don't see him making this move without discussing it with Bush first.

Naturalized-Texan
02-23-2004, 10:30 AM
In the February 23, 2004, issue of National Review, Mackubin Thomas Owens has written a greatly expanded version of the article I linked to at the beginning of this thread. The title is "BUT WAS IT TRUE?"

Taylor
02-23-2004, 12:56 PM
The Veitnam war was before my time. I have been thinking about whether I think it was just or not and I think it was just because we were fighting against Communism. I would have supported the war if I was a baby boomer and around then. I was born towards the end of the war. We lost the war because the politicians in Washington didn't let the generals run the war like they were supposed to. Johnson and MacNamera ran the war out of the white house.

Naturalized-Texan
02-23-2004, 01:27 PM
You are very astute!

Actually, we were obligated by the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) to help defend South Vietnam from the invasion by the North Vietnamese. It was NOT a guerilla war as the left has claimed because the Viet Cong was made up of crack units of the N. Vietnam army that were infiltrated into the South prior to the invasion.

You are absolutely correct that LBJ and MacNamara ran the war and prevented the military from winning it.

nosferatuscoffin
02-24-2004, 12:48 AM
What is most tragic via those treaties is that Nixon of all people was blamed for it. Another example of the Kerry Fake-Dem-Vietman-Vet Snydrome.Blame others for your actions.

It will be wonderful come Election Day to see the Dems exposed for their double betrayal of this country. I think after this election, that the Dems positions on Nam will be buried forever. Whether pro or anti. Lord knows, they produced enough of their Woodstock iterations of the other former.

Venus
02-24-2004, 03:44 AM
I expect that the main reasons Kerry organized his filth and demanded to spew it to the senate is because there was a 'pub in the WH. I just don't think he would have if there'd been a 'rat in the WH.

Does anybody know if he protested the war before he went to Vietnam? Wasn't LBJ still in office before and when Kerry went into the military?

Warlady
02-24-2004, 09:25 AM
Venus, I read one accounting that Kerry wasn't even opposed to the war when he came home from it. It wasn't until he decided to run for Senator and needed an issue that he turned.

Naturalized-Texan
02-24-2004, 02:18 PM
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Warlady said:
Venus, I read one accounting that Kerry wasn't even opposed to the war when he came home from it. It wasn't until he decided to run for Senator and needed an issue that he turned.

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I didn't read that account, but is sure fits with his Clintonesque lack of character.

nosferatuscoffin
02-24-2004, 02:18 PM
In either case, he is scum that needs to be kept as far as away from 1600 Penn Ave. as possible.

Bye bye Dems, it was not nice knowing you.

Warlady
02-24-2004, 06:18 PM
NT it's in one of the links posted here in this forum.

nosferatuscoffin
02-24-2004, 06:21 PM
It is nice to see the death a party that would prefer to see 3000 deaths as a daily soap opera.

Warlady
02-24-2004, 06:31 PM
Huh?

Estragon
02-25-2004, 02:16 AM
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Naturalized-Texan said:
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Warlady said:
Venus, I read one accounting that Kerry wasn't even opposed to the war when he came home from it. It wasn't until he decided to run for Senator and needed an issue that he turned.

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I didn't read that account, but is sure fits with his Clintonesque lack of character.

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Kerry came home and ran for Congress {not the Senate, that was later} as a "war hero," and lost. He realized that patriotism no longer played well in liberal Massachusetts, so he started being an antiwar activist to appeal to the left in preparation for his future political tries. He uttered not the first peep against the war during his run for Congress.

I've heard a lot of unsettling things about Kerry's military service, too. He himself admits that the wounds that earned him THREE Purple Hearts only required a total of two days missed duty {two days for one of them, no time missed at all for the other two}, and that he used a little-known regulation to request leaving service early due to being wounded in action three times. I've also heard that he recommended himself, or requested his men to recommend him, for several of his medals, instead of the usual procedure of being nominated by his CO.

We don't know the truth, without reviewing his files. Bush released his. Kerry won't. Who's hiding what?

Warlady
02-25-2004, 08:04 AM
Kerry can get away with it. By not releasing his records no one can know for certain what happened just that he went to Nam. He can get away with it because if Republicans demand he release his records he can whine that we are attacking his quote "patriotism". Doesn't matter that the Democrats demanded Bush's records be released. The media will play into Kerry's whining.

BuckeyeMike
02-25-2004, 09:05 AM
/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yeahthat.gif easy call eh?

DesertFox
02-25-2004, 08:14 PM
It's just another example of Dimocrats wanting everyone else to play by one set of rules while they do as they damn well please.