Democratic Underground : "Congresswoman Barbara Lee, American Hero"

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>I agree. Congresswoman Lee is a true American hero, who has acted with great intelligence and integrity.
I am writing her an email of support and appreciation.

I feel reassured that some of the people who are in charge of our lives in this country don't have a "war mentality".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[wolfplus3]

It's sad to see the results of crack and heroin on feeble minds.

[MaximumSam]

Well, she makes a good point, regardless of whether you agree or not. I wouldn't call her a hero, although it does require courage to be a lone dissenting politician.

[EveningStar]

Her real reason for opposing this might be that she wants the war funds to instead be directed to reparations for blacks.

[Maggie_T]

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[MaximumSam]

Her real reason for opposing this might be that she wants the war funds to instead be directed to reparations for blacks.

Maybe, but I think she makes a reasonable point. Does anyone have anything to suggest it isn't?

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[2nd_Amendment]

That looks like two points to me, Max...or at least they were...

[MaximumSam]

The attack was tragic, but that doesn't mean we aren't risking an open-ended war with no clear target.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wolfplus3:
It's sad to see the results of crack and heroin on feeble minds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Would anyone like to contribute to my:
Send Barbara Lee to Afghanistan fund? How much would a one way ticket cost?

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Can we send Max, too?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by checkers:
Can we send Max, too?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<h3>Yes</h3>

He'll be going soon enough!!

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Out of curiosity, Max, I think you're fairly young, no? If there's a draft and they want to send you over to kill Afghanis, are you going or dodging?

[Maggie_T]

Jacques, I'd rather Maxi and his ilk didn't go. They're not good material. They'd loose the war for us.

[Venus]

Lose the war for us? They'd join the enemy.

[terri]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
The attack was tragic, but that doesn't mean we aren't risking an open-ended war with no clear target.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe I've actually complemented you on a couple of posts of late on this board. Of all the stupid and simple minded remarks to make, this has to take the cake! - Only your remark about that congressman Lee, who refused to stand with her country during this act of war, out shines your glowing imbecilic mental achievements.

[Maggie_T]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Venus:
Lose the war for us? They'd join the enemy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL! Exactly, Venus.

[MaximumSam]

I can't believe I've actually complemented you on a couple of posts of late on this board. Of all the stupid and simple minded remarks to make, this has to take the cake! - Only your remark about that congressman Lee, who refused to stand with her country during this act of war, out shines your glowing imbecilic mental achievements.

Well, uh, it's still a good point. Is there a defined enemy? Who is it? Do we have a good idea what it will take to defeat this enemy? Do we know how long it will take?

No one has addressed the actual point this congresswoman has expressed - they have only insulted her for not following the herd. She hasn't done anything unpatriotic - she simply has made a caution of our use of force. There is nothing wrong with that.

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[MaximumSam]

uh, ok

[terri]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
I can't believe I've actually complemented you on a couple of posts of late on this board. Of all the stupid and simple minded remarks to make, this has to take the cake! - Only your remark about that congressman Lee, who refused to stand with her country during this act of war, out shines your glowing imbecilic mental achievements.

Well, uh, it's still a good point. Is there a defined enemy? Who is it? Do we have a good idea what it will take to defeat this enemy? Do we know how long it will take?

No one has addressed the actual point this congresswoman has expressed - they have only insulted her for not following the herd. She hasn't done anything unpatriotic - she simply has made a caution of our use of force. There is nothing wrong with that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The enemy has been defined, terrorists and those that harbor, support and fund them. The attack stratgey as well as defining target and exit plans are being formulated and the President along with countless administration officials have repeatedly stated that this will be a protracted campaign.

Regarding Lee. She violated the first rule of politics when the country is attacked, she did not side with the President. Two other Dems were highly critized for their remarks this week by John Kerry. I hope that Lee will be as well and then voted out next election.

Next point.

[DesertFox]

Sam, were there no context here, you would be spot on.

But there IS a context. Congressbody Lee has hardly made a name for pro-Americanism. Past comments from her lips make a reasonable person suspicious of her motives in saying this sort of thing. She has some proving to do before her words can be interpreted as innocent insights into a complex situation.

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Terri nailed it.

[MaximumSam]

The enemy has been defined, terrorists and those that harbor, support and fund them. The attack stratgey as well as defining target and exit plans are being formulated and the President along with countless administration officials have repeatedly stated that this will be a protracted campaign.

Hopefully, that is true. However, who knows how long it would take to eliminate all terrorists, or what "protracted" means to the government. Her caution is simply common sense. That doesn't mean we can't retaliate, but we must stay focused on the prize.

Regarding Lee. She violated the first rule of politics when the country is attacked, she did not side with the President.

She was the sole dissenter of the entire House. Her breach shows absolutely no cracks in the resolve of the government. We shouldn't criticize our politicians for taking a different slant on things than the president. That is there job. Why even let the House have any power if they are supposed to agree with the president?

DF,

Sam, were there no context here, you would be spot on.

Maybe. I don't know anything about Lee. However, her point is solid, regardless of her intentions.

[DesertFox]

No, Sam, it isn't "solid regardless of her intentions." Her words can be understood more than one way. Or do you not see that?

[MaximumSam]

What other way is that?

[DesertFox]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>"I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Demoralization, Sam. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Withholding your own support to your own govt for partisan reasons. Just to name a few. Her words can be understood in any, or all, of those ways, given her past partisanship and readiness to condemn US action of any kind.

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Wow, such animosity toward Max. Let's save it for the terrorists. I know, it's hard because of the ilk known as Lee, Neal and MEEHAN.

Maxi,
Ask 99% of Democrats about Lee's vote. I think there will be a primary challenge in her TX district. What a lsoer she is.

I am TIRED of people saying it could be a "misdirected" war. We should go after Bin Laden ANYWAY because he attcaked the WTC in 1993, embassies in 1998, and the USS Cole in 2000. Hello!!!!

This is a war against all the camps in the Mideast, all terrorists foreign and domestic.

DDCA

[terri]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MaximumSam:
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Regarding Lee. She violated the first rule of politics when the country is attacked, she did not side with the President.

She was the sole dissenter of the entire House. Her breach shows absolutely no cracks in the resolve of the government. We shouldn't criticize our politicians for taking a different slant on things than the president. That is there job. Why even let the House have any power if they are supposed to agree with the president?

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WRONG. You are so completely wrong on this one. When our nation is attacked, like Pearl Harbor, like the Pentagon and WTC, solid unity towards our nation must be shown. It has been the first and foremost rule of politics since WWI. Ask John Kerry, and you will get the same answer from him. Any crack in our veneer, any inkling is all these fanatics need to bolster their moral and gain more recruits.

Personally, I don't care if Lee was a "pub, dem, indep, or any other political flavor. What she did in my book is akin to treason. Abe Lincoln made it perfectly clear; A nation divided against itself will not stand.

[TheKellyCrew]

UNITED we stand!!!!!!
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Sammy, think about that.

[Dash_Riprock]

Barbara Lee is a poverty pimp politician who relies on the stupidity of her ghetto trash constituents to be continually reelected. She is in no danger of being voted out of office so long as she is seen by them as "standing up to the white man" and as long as those "government" dollars keep flowing.

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