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[Nutrider99]

Originally Posted by Logic

I probably believe that the universe "spontaneously autocreate[d] from nothing" in the sense that you believe God "spontaneously autocreate[d] from nothing." Or, more specifically, a preuniversal singularity, not the current universe.

There is a difference that none of you idiots seem to comprehend.

If you believe in science, then you must believe in the laws of science. Science states that matter cannot be created or destroyed. Spontaneous autocreation absent a supernatural force defies the very laws of science you claim to believe. Science deals with the physical world, and being so constrained, there is absolutely no means in the physical world by which the universe could have come into being. None. To believe in science as you do, then you have to believe that the impossible is possible. This makes you an idiot.

God, however, is not constrained by natural law. Being supernatural, time, space and the Laws of Thermodynamics do not constrain Him in the least. Matter is created at His command. The universe forms because He tells it to. Animals and man are formed because He wanted them to exist. He commands the elements, brings the dead to life, suspends time itself and is eternal; without beginning or without end.

Therefore, God did not come from anything else. He is an eternal being, and in the supernatural world eternity exists. Therefore, while it is a violation of logic to believe that in the physical world the universe could create itself from nothing, it is perfectly consistent in logic to conclude that an eternal, omnipotent being could move in and out of the physical world He created at will.