Let's Talk About Sex

[PrezLeefun]

The numbers have been crunched and teen pregnancy is on the rise. Now many, especially those on the left side of the aisle say abstinence only education is the problem however another study says that abstinence only education is working. ... If I can encourage every parent reading this to take a brave page from my mother’s book of raising Leette this would be the page. Be the first person to talk about sex with your kid. That is probably how you made your child, tell them how they came into the world. Tell them if it was difficult to finally get them, or if they were the best surprise you ever got (maybe a big surprise if you can relate to the ladies on “I didn’t Know I Was Pregnant.”) The last part is one of the most important parts... Sex ed has a place in school as a part of biology class, and NO MORE. We should never rely on school to be the parent in any matter, let alone sexual matters.

The school doesn’t pay to take care of your child, the school doesn’t love your child, or take them to the doctor, and the school isn’t going to be the one having a panic attack when your kid comes to you ashamed they are sick or scared because a baby is on the way.

http://hiphoprepublican.com/general/...alk-about-sex/


A potentially controversial bit by someone we know....

[Wolf Counsel]

My wife and I have three granddaughters and one grandson under our wings. One of the girls is fast approaching the questioning age. As Major Dad says, "That's it. I'm outta here." I leave that part to the grandma. Nice article, Prez!

[Naturalized-Texan]

Prez: That is an excellent article. I suspect that the author would be interested in an article in the April 5, 2010, issue of National Review entitled, "The President's New Sex Ed" by Robert Rector. It covers much of the same ground the author of this article covers.

[True Republican]

I agree one hundred percent with this article. The school should not take the parent's role.

EDIT: I enjoy talking about sex also. It's one of those "Elephant in the Room" issues that people avoid which is ridiculous.

[Leeburg]

I liked the article a lot in that it is pragmatic and seems even-handed. This issue is important enough to set aside political persuasions and just look at what is functional. In that regard, the only part I would question is the relevance of bringing up sex satisfaction variance by voting record in the concluding remarks.

[PrezLeefun]

^^^^Responsible sex leads to better sex satisfaction. If you are always worried about the consequences of sex because you are not having sex as safely as possible you enjoy it less.

[Leeburg]

Not questioning the argument, I'm questioning its relevance. Are you suggesting that be a part of what schools tell students?

[Wolf Counsel]

Not questioning the argument, I'm questioning its relevance. Are you suggesting that be a part of what schools tell students?

Me, I would tell schools to put a cork in sex education and to go choke a chicken. Sex education has relevance only in Biology class, thank you.

[Leeburg]

Biology class is taught in schools.

[Wolf Counsel]

Biology class is taught in schools.

Yes. Thank you for that information. I took Biology in the tenth grade and I was made aware of the sperm and the egg, chromosomes, childbirth, menstruation, et cetera, but not a farking word about good or safe copulation, free rubbers, sex counseling and secret abortion for pregnant kids, or anything involving estra-marital encounters.

[PrezLeefun]

Not questioning the argument, I'm questioning its relevance. Are you suggesting that be a part of what schools tell students?

I don't think the author meant that to be a part of sex in schools, that was just something addressed to the reader. Probably meant it to be humorous.

[Leeburg]

Leave it to me to kill the joke.

[DesertFox]

I've thought about this issue for 30 years, and now it seems to me that not even biology class has any need to talk about human sex.

First of all, the human sense of privacy is bound up with sex. This is glaringly obvious in school bathrooms, where boys are so sensitive about their equipment that they go to inordinate lengths to prevent anybody from "peeking." I also saw this in Latin American men during my years in the region.

Pubertal girls are at their most sensitive about their bodies right at the time schools most want to teach them sex ed. Making the discussion clinical does rob it somewhat of privacy, but at the risk of damaging some girl's sense of sexual activity as private. We don't want the subject robbed of its privacy.

Second, it is not necessary to discuss human sex in discussing sexual reproduction. Talk about dogs or cows and let the kids make the connection themselves. They are as hot at school age as we were and will have no problem connecting the dots.

Third, nobody needs to be told that pregnancy results from unprotected sex. It's the oldest "secret" in the history of man. Pretending that boys and girls need "training" in how to don a condom or give a blow job or choke a chicken or use the asshole as a vagina is the most asinine (and profane) notion I ever heard of. Teens know all about condoms, they know how to put them on, they know how to check them for leaks, etc.

The push for sex ed in schools is all about queers and perverts wanting to get an early start on their victims. It's way past time confused conservatives quit enabling those deviates, expecially on OUR buck.

[Leeburg]

I've thought about this issue for 30 years, and now it seems to me that not even biology class has any need to talk about human sex.

So, no need to discuss the cause of pregnancy. I can go with that.

What about the consequences of it?

[Retro]

Loved the article- it made a lot of sense in today's world. I grew up not in today's world, and for us, abstinence only was a given. We were given a slight bit of information in PE and the rest was left up to the parents. Now granted, I was more naive than the average southern girl of the time, brought up by parents who had expectations- that we would make good grades, we would respect adults and were so loved we would never consider doing anything to disappoint our parents, and that we would be "nice" girls.

I was also remarkably uncurious. Sex just didn't "come up" as children. I encountered the "f" word for the first time at the age of 12 in the seventh grade cooking textbook. Nobody knew what it meant in the whole class, either, except the girl who dyed her hair and she wouldn't tell.

So, naturally, I went home and asked Mother. First she patiently explained this was the worst word in the world and nobody should ever never say it and only people with limited vocabularies used bad language. Then she gave me the technical term for it, and of course, I had no clue what that meant. So, she said "a baby is made of love, and when a man and woman love each other very much AND ARE MARRIED, God has planned for there to be babies." Oh. Ok. So, let's see, they love each other, are married, they sit on the couch and gaze lovingly at each other and,and... well, a pink cloud must come down from God with a baby on it. Well, that makes sense. That one lasted me more years than you can believe.

Worked for me. Oh, those were the days. Why do children have to grow up this quickly? We did just fine the old way. No talk of condoms, std's, etc. Big decision whether to let a boy kiss you. Yes, we had teen pregnancy, but it was pretty rare. That absitnence only stuff worked pretty good, especially when you had no clue what you were being abstinent from!

[True Republican]

I, myself, did not really learn about sex until the age of twelve when my father sat me down and we had the talk. I haven't been the same since...

[DesertFox]

What about the consequences of it?

As part of a college curriculum on social problems, sure. High school kids? Not so sure. Prollem is that anything vaguely touching on sex is grabbed by liberals to promote things most of us don't want promoted. And because we're not comfortable talking about it, liberals (who can talk all day and night about sex, especially sexual deviance) have dominated the conversation for the last forty years.

[DoctorDoom]

Sex "education" that teaches only the physical acts of sex without the moral, ethical and personal aspects makes about as much farking sense as driver's ed that teaches starting the car, steering, and using the pedals but doesn't teach the rules of the road.

Sex "education" has been an utter disaster since SIECUS took it out of the homes and forced it into the classrooms.

[Leeburg]

If...

nobody needs to be told that pregnancy results from unprotected sex. It's the oldest "secret" in the history of man. Pretending that boys and girls need "training" in how to don a condom or give a blow job or choke a chicken or use the asshole as a vagina is the most asinine (and profane) notion I ever heard of. Teens know all about condoms, they know how to put them on, they know how to check them for leaks, etc.

...then why does this...

...anything vaguely touching on sex is grabbed by liberals to promote things most of us don't want promoted.

...really matter? So what if liberals use any excuse to talk about sex? Your previous post would have me think that the only people talking about sex more than liberals are teenagers, and it sounds like they'll talk about and DO it regardless of the external. I don't think what liberals would do or "promote" is relevant to whether teens should hear a thing or two about how life as a teenage parent generally pans out.

A comment on the teenage brain:

As we get older, we develop better, stronger connections between our different regions of the brain. And it actually develops from the back of your brain to the front. And, big surprise, the last place to develop and connect is the frontal lobe. This process is called myelination, which is actually a wrapping of the connections to make them conduct signal faster. It's probably how adults compensate for not having the brilliant learning that children have. So the last place to connect is the frontal lobe. Now we know that the frontal lobe has some very special properties. It's what controls insight, judgment, blocks you from too much risk taking behavior - and these are all issues with the teenage brain and teenagers are notorious for risk taking, poor judgment, not really thinking through things properly, yet they can be very sharp at the same time and can be memorizing all these things for the SATs and be whizzing through material. Yet they're not showing judgment. So that's the paradox: they are very, very sharp on the one hand with respect to their ability to learn and their physiology that underlies learning but the connectivity is lagging.

So teens can memorize all sorts of stuff, but have neurologically-based deficiencies with regard to judgment and risk-taking behaviors. I think it's worth considering whether their skill in the former can compensate for the latter. I say give them some very scary, very real statistics about life trajectories of teenage parents. I don't have "proof that it works" in reducing teen pregnancy, but I certainly don't see how it could hurt.

[Retro]

Some schools do the little excercise with the fake baby they have to have with them at all times and take care of for a period of time. I think that can be useful. My daughter was taking "health" ( sex ed) in high school and we both picked her up from school one day. She commented that "we had the total abstinence lady yesterday and the planned parenthood lady today. Birth control is really a pain in the butt." Her Daddy gave one of his best Dadisms of all time. 3,2,1... "Yes, but it isn't nearly as big a pain in the butt as...birth. " Thoughtful silence from the back seat. "Yeah. I guess you're right."

The child is stable, happily married to a fine man, 33 years old and now expecting her first child, and is fortunate to have the choice right now to be a stay at home mommy. Good for Dad.